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i will tag those who liked it as an fyi, sorry. the author should please qrt next time so i notice @jeffcompass @fuzzynectarines @snoozakoopa @mryhatoh @le_dex_sms @rasmussw @og_dith

10/4/2022, 1:40:22 PM

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(1) there were 2 other mods. this ban was assented to by @1upsforlife (fyg said nothing). this is the mod chat; the final msg is missing: 1ups replied "ok, let's see how it goes" owtte. i lost access b4 screenshotting but it's still there afaik (so only @lego6245 can see it ig)

10/4/2022, 1:40:24 PM

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this is backed up by a secondary source: dm from jpep

(also a bit of an unserious point but you know this toburr tweet is false bc mlarvitar didn't like it haha)

10/4/2022, 1:40:25 PM

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you may reasonably expect 1ups would've corroborated this rather than stayed silent, but as you well know, she's conflict-averse to pathological levels. she didn't defend me in sdll from lumardy's far more grievous lying so there's 0 chance she'd take on the bingo community here

10/4/2022, 1:40:26 PM

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it's my fault that i vented suspicions about jeff in public, but my core point about his intervention r.e. toburr is factually right. this is genuinely smth i'd fire a mod over bc it's a big safety risk (jeff liking this false tweet proves my point). from my wip self-inquiry:

10/4/2022, 1:40:28 PM

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highlighted part is key. afaict, jeff didn't know what happened in the mod channel but *speculated* this was a unilateral ban. @despin_sr / mods can prove this if they want. i don't get the double standard between me speculating "abusively" in public vs what jeff was doing here

10/4/2022, 1:40:29 PM

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(in case you're wondering about fyg, he was unaware that the mod channel existed lmao. my way of handling this ban respected the fact that shine heads was effectively unmoderated, with one mod who didn't care and another whose reluctance to engage in conflict i tried to respect)

10/4/2022, 1:40:30 PM

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(2) when i banned toburr, i sent him a complete, evidence-based rationale (https://shoutplenty.netlify.app/case/toburr-sh). that's due process. done. because i gave him everything he needed to understand and appeal the ban

10/4/2022, 1:40:31 PM

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it helps a lot that i also informed the other mods, who thus were able to overturn and redo the ban of their own volition. but even w/o that, toburr was able to compel them to review it cos he had the full rationale

i also sent intent to ban 3 days in advance, citing no apology

10/4/2022, 1:40:31 PM

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(1ups had directly witnessed the abuse so i didn't restate it). i could've done better, like run the full rationale by them, demand active consent, but that didn't fit 1ups + fyg (as i said), nor me (who wanted to 1-and-done it to move on to a tricky apology-reply to goldendevil)

10/4/2022, 1:40:32 PM

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either way, full rationale w/ evidence (+ hearing appeals) *is* due process

do bingo players hear themselves when they continue to gas me up over this kinda stuff w/ nonsensical arguments that rely on lies? i've modded discords for 5.5y and they think idk about due process

10/4/2022, 1:40:32 PM

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(3) the case obvs didn't merit a warning for the reason i highlight from the rationale. he was guilty, so needed to apologise. do right by victims. the fact toburr complains about this shows me he's not sorry for what he did and is smth i noted when i rejected his later apology

10/4/2022, 1:40:34 PM

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(4) it's jarring af that 6/7 ppl liking this lie are from bingo AGAIN. as if it wasn't established in mediation that this needed to stop

but i'm glad it happened cos it shows shit doesn't just change w/o help. that's human nature. u don't just ban for "continued behaviour"

10/4/2022, 1:40:34 PM

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unless ofc you have underlying biases, subcommunity resentment etc. that you're tryna pass off as being entirely the fault of one person so you can just remove em to "solve" the problem [15/15]

10/4/2022, 1:40:35 PM

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