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@shoutplenty

i've had many ppl show me pro-nato stances at this point that i've struggled to understand cos like, when u read statements like these, do u not see it's literally complaining about losing influence and rebranding it as an objective affront to a "rules-based [world] order" [1/10] https://twitter.com/nikstankovic_/status/1811323452269146421

7/11/2024, 2:34:02 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

the biggest themes i hear are (1) fear of enemy repeating its old ways and (2) idealistic belief in supremacy of democracy. both are true, but like

1. a military alliance covering 1/8 of the world? like pre-WWI???
2. russian evil now vs usa evil now, in europe vs everywhere else

7/11/2024, 2:34:03 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

maybe the 2 deeper things that underpin this worldview are (1) selfishness, or an innate preference for the safety of europeans vs others (smth i'm happy to just call supremacist racism tbh) and (2) a profound misunderstanding of what's going on in palestine vs how it's reported

7/11/2024, 2:34:03 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

to continue directly my last thread about bullying, it's not so much zeldocto's actual approach that agitates me – "fix" the community by keeping the victim out, the drama hidden away, exploiting eir work behind eir back and propagandising about the community making progress

7/11/2024, 2:34:04 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

it's not the actions themselves but the gaslighting that covers it up – telling my friend he's working on unbanning me, discourse about how everyone is a good person trying eir best

BECAUSE: if i'd not been gaslit from the outset by society then i would've known to save myself

7/11/2024, 2:34:05 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

the thing i realised about israel is it's not that people are dying that bothers me (believe it or not – murder is just how the west rolls), but rather the total media conspiracy to cover it up. having to deal with this daily https://twitter.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1811308415806828726

7/11/2024, 2:34:05 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

i can just not listen, but ppl round me will listen, and not be able to imagine that a money-centralised media can be even worse than a power-centralised one like russia's. that capitalism can lead to worse outcomes than dictatorship despite the lack of a dictator doing the thing

7/11/2024, 2:34:06 PM

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fleegar

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and immersion in a media like that will inevitably cause the 2 outcomes in my 3rd tweet

in sms i'm considered an evil "speculator" bc i don't listen to any of their words and instead let myself interpret the direct evidence of outcomes available to me. to quote lose sleep again:

7/11/2024, 2:34:07 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

and yh maybe i should care more about the evils themselves than the propaganda but the thing is, propaganda's only there to stop ppl from seeing the evils, and if they did see then they'd act in a way closer to their natures, plus like i said, i'd better understand their natures

7/11/2024, 2:34:07 PM

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fleegar

@shoutplenty

it's just easier to deal with ppl who say "i believe in abusing those i don't like" and getting 50 upvotes than it is to unmangle the gaslighting and feeling of the ground beneath your feet constantly being reshaped by spin and strategic information games [10/10]

7/11/2024, 2:34:08 PM

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