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a review of the call:
it sounds like ppl have their principles in the right place and don’t buy any of the ethics propaganda (justifications for blocking comms, hiding evidence etc) [1/12] https://twitter.com/shoutplenty/status/1738839333090578814
12/25/2023, 7:59:13 AM
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they see thru the things warspyking says w/o much prompting from me, realise he intensively manipulates
they didn’t see him as deserving a ban, which concerned me cos it feels like they’ve let themselves normalise that manipulation, not blame him or be disgusted about it
12/25/2023, 7:59:13 AM
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we agree that 1ups’ behaviour throughout the situation has been dire but our biggest disagreements remain whether her presentation can merit an insanity defence, and to what extent abusing plausible deniability + not questioning whether it’s you who’s wrong count as malice
12/25/2023, 7:59:14 AM
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takes on lumardy fail to grasp the nature of the abuse but do see a clear abuser, malice setting him apart from 1ups, say
1ups’ supporting lu seems to have decisively lost her many ppl’s sympathy. i explained her codependency on sdll so expect some’ll sadly let her off the hook
12/25/2023, 7:59:14 AM
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new info came out on jpitar: we knew they removed fyg from the bullying discord during the infamous bullying call, correctly predicting he would tell ppl about the bullying within
what we didn’t know is they lied to their own (1ups) that they removed him *after* he told ppl
12/25/2023, 7:59:15 AM
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a pleasant surprise for me is they realised jpep is a serial gaslighter and the narrative that i’m being violent about how i discuss ppl w/ him and 1ups + was gonna come after them next is hence unlikely to be true
i reminded them i can just show them our dm histories whenever
12/25/2023, 7:59:16 AM
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jpep actually engaged pumpman in goldendevil-style gaslighting on ban day – to pumps saying they shouldn’t believe the case w/o evidence, jpep said this was exactly the apologism they feared when they posted the zoomer doc. jpep deleted his words so they’re not in the logs
12/25/2023, 7:59:16 AM
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an interesting detail about warspyking is that he says i’m “entitled” for demanding they anonymise my abuser, in the same way lego once argued that it was “selfish” of me to lobby for them to improve abuse transparency so ppl would actually find out what awesomo did to me
12/25/2023, 7:59:17 AM
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none of these ppl seems to believe their narratives would win in an open debate, and they seem keen to continue to secretly capture ppl until the gig is finally up
the callers’ preferred resistance method is to keep educating ppl about what happened and await organic change
12/25/2023, 7:59:17 AM
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they seem amenable to my preferred methods of publicly protesting and joining strike actions, but don’t think they’ll achieve much. i listed all the subtle benefits of these actions and hopefully convinced them. ppl react to discontent, and there’s been basically none so far
12/25/2023, 7:59:18 AM
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there’s a split between ppl who wanna be done w/ the community entirely and ppl who wanna rescue it from warspy, for the sake of the game and future runners
their cause is helped by two ppl who dislike me, one a top runner, seeing warspy as irrelevant to sms speedrunning
12/25/2023, 7:59:19 AM
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overall, i get the vibe they’ll succeed in overturning p much everything, but it’ll take them about 7 months
i’m pleased that they wanna do it regardless of if i care
but for me, it’s still too late because lu and the sdll gaslighting pushed me past a point of no return [12/12]
12/25/2023, 7:59:19 AM
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