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fleegar

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this mini-thread is interesting for a few reasons. it reads completely differently to a normal person and a TRA

a TRA will consider it bigoted that people are being referred to by their sex, and see a political dogwhistle motive for it [1/9] https://twitter.com/Empiricist871/status/1698819184015114380

9/6/2023, 9:38:33 AM

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fleegar

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a normal person, say a heterosexual, will read it as a relatable account of sexuality being based mostly on sex presentation, using the terms man/woman to signify the concepts that are most relevant to the point being made

9/6/2023, 9:38:33 AM

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fleegar

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a normie will see the TRA as trying to gatekeep the meanings of “woman” and “homosexual” by politically othering the person

and that’s true – there is no room for people who share this concept of sexuality in that ideology. that’s regardless of which concept is considered right

9/6/2023, 9:38:34 AM

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fleegar

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because you can never change which associations someone most strongly makes with concepts simply by redefining the words in a politically-correct or inclusive way

that’s getting at why some bisexuals like me consider gender ideology homophobic (it erases our experience)

9/6/2023, 9:38:34 AM

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fleegar

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the issue is that the TRA is right that often these takes correlate with transphobia. this person is actually a transsexual separatist i think, but could easily have been a TERF arguing that being trans anything is a disingenuous scam directed at women and children

9/6/2023, 9:38:34 AM

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fleegar

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and that’s how the normie would get converted into opposing trans rights

to recap, if gender ideology contradicts or slanders someone’s lived experience then ey will oppose trans rights. whose fault? the TRA who conflated the two

9/6/2023, 9:38:35 AM

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fleegar

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you see this by the myriad opposing, diverse takes that get posted by just about everyone whenever a TRA says something ideological (language-policing here)

and i can vouch for the TRA/normie misunderstanding bc it happened to me when i unwittingly sent a TRA a GC article once

9/6/2023, 9:38:35 AM

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fleegar

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i know i said gender ideology would be dead in 50 years but the replies to owen (the OP) make me think it’ll be more like 2 lol

credit at least to owen for most vocally calling out that the uk’s major parties are both right-wing now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

9/6/2023, 9:38:36 AM

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fleegar

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p.s. the reason defining man/woman based on sex (as in the quoted thread) is not inherently transphobic is that trans rights says everyone has a right to be referred to as of a sex of their choice, but says nothing about what the abstract concepts mean (which would be ideology)

9/6/2023, 9:43:47 AM

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